In Episode 201, Trev and AJ catch up after their mini-vacation, and respond to a listener question about when to innovate versus throw in the towel, before Trev sits down with the beautiful and brilliant Brandi Ford – actress, filmmaker, baker (hello thrival job!) and mother of 3. In Part 1, Brandi shares about her journey from childhood onward: from being a young mom in college, to teaching middle school, to planning weddings, to doing background and commercial acting – and how being selfish, though not recommended, kinda paid off. Total running time: 1:04:28.

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