AJ and AJ talk about fame, recognition, and the deeply held childhood belief that being discovered is just a matter of singing loudly enough near shrubbery. As “A” confidently states, “There is no one happier than a child star,” before unpacking her full-blown obsession with All That—aka her weekly pilgrimage into the fantasy that she was Amanda Bynes.

Then “J” shares her own grassroots PR strategy: hiding in a bush clubhouse and belting songs in the hopes that a Star Search producer would simply…wander by and discover her raw, leafy talent. Spoiler: no one came, but the commitment to the fantasy was undeniable.

Now, as fully formed adults, they reflect on the rude awakening that most famous people are…not thriving. Turns out fame does not fix your problems—it just gives your problems a publicist. A also shares what it was like actually working on set with famous people and realizing they’re basically the same as everyone else—just with more money. AJ and AJ unpack the slow realization that being seen is not the same as being happy.