Spring is in the air which can only mean it's time to do the same thing we do every time we record a podcast, talk TV! Max and Michael discuss many different things in this month's episode but the big debate is what is art and what is science? If you have any thoughts please send them through to [email protected] or tweet @wigwionaws

Spoilers in this episode for season 1 of the Punisher in our discussion of season 2. There are no spoilers for season 2.

00:00 - Intro

04:20 - Quick Cuts (Fleabag s2, American Gods s2, MotherFatherSon, Derry Girls s2)

23:37 - Escape At Dannemora (Sky Boxsets maybe)

29:26 - Turn Up Charlie (Netflix)

33:40 - The Umbrella Academy (Netflix)

41:31 - The Punisher s2 (Netflix)

49:55 - What Does The Future Hold?

59:50 - Outro