This is an open talk that features Benjamin Freud, the educator who advocates more questions than answers, in a mutual exchange with the host about how skills taught in class remain limited, how curricula and assessment can be redesigned to meet our multidisciplinary real-world needs, and how those needs are far beyond students. Benjamin explains that biocentrism is our only way towards a better and more equitable future. The episode is a double call to action from Benjamin Freud and the host as they both emphasize the role of a “possible” change mindset, self-paced schools, and qualitative methods in building bridges and making impact. More of Benjamin Freud Ph.D. content can be found via this link: https://coconut-thinking.design/