Charlie forgets to press record on the first hour of her conversation with Polina. No matter! Polina is a gem. They talk about how they write and their relationships with alcohol. Polina shares her thoughts on personal writing and failure. And they end with a new segment they came up with together called Slow Burn And Smooth Jazz. You won't want to miss it.

Pre-order Polina's book, out June 20! ⁠Hidden Genius⁠: The Secret Ways Of Thinking That Power The World's Most Successful People

References:

Colleen Hoover

15 Months Without Alcohol

Militaristic — definitely a word

I’ll Show Myself Out: Essays On Midlife And Motherhood by Jessi Klein

⁠Why It's So Hard to Create Original Work In the Face of Conventional Wisdom⁠ (Polina’s essay on originality)

An Orgasmic Birth (Charlie’s essay on childbirth)

Judy Blume

Educated by Tara Westover

The Bachelor

The White Lotus Season 2