The New Yorker staff writer and New York Times best-seller Patrick Radden Keefe joins the show. We talk about an at-times hilarious and above all chilling sequence of his latest book, Say Nothing, a history of the Troubles that is also a commentary on how that history never really ended. Patrick and I discuss how and why he reports stories like this one, and what he's constantly seeking as an investigative journalist and writer. For show notes head to https://www.paulkix.com/podcast.