In this episode, our guests Dr. Matthew Epperson and Dr. Carrie Pettus-Davis discuss their research and efforts to provide an alternative to the mass incarceration movement in the United States. Both are scholars and leaders of the Smart Decarceration Initiative, and they describe their mission and goals. They argue that our current system of mass incarceration should be replaced with effective and sustainable alternatives that protect society as well as assist people who have committed crimes.