In this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew Johnson, Michael, and Matt Till engage with Dr. Steve Bezner, exploring the implications of Bonhoeffer’s theology for contemporary church leadership. They discuss the importance of maintaining a distinct Christian identity in a politically charged environment, the role of pastors in shepherding their congregations, and the need for deeper community engagement. Bezner emphasizes the necessity of mentoring in discipleship and the church’s responsibility to address social justice issues while remaining faithful to the teachings of Jesus.

Steve Bezner, Bonhoeffer, church, pastoral ministry, political engagement, discipleship, community, theology, American Christianity

“Your Jesus is too American.”

“We need to focus on loving our enemies.”

“We need fewer algorithms and more mentoring.”

00:00 Introduction to the Ephesiology Podcast

02:19 Steve Bezner’s Background and Transition to Academia

05:10 Bonhoeffer’s Relevance to the Church Today

07:35 Bonhoeffer as a Pastor and Theologian

10:10 Navigating Political Issues in Pastoral Ministry

13:09 The Role of Pastors in a Polarized Society

15:35 The Importance of Community Engagement

18:23 Bonhoeffer’s Influence on Social Justice

20:45 The Need for Shepherding in Modern Ministry

23:22 Discipleship and the Role of Mentoring

25:56 Theological Foundations for Political Engagement

28:32 The Kingdom of God vs. Secular Politics

31:10 Conclusion and Encouragement for Pastors

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Michael is the missiologist in residence with East West where he focuses on equipping and empowering church leaders in evangelism, discipleship, leadership, and catalyzing church planting movements in the most difficult to reach places on the planet. He is the author of Ephesiology: The Study of the Ephesian Movement as well as many other books and academic articles. He has lectured at universities around the world and serves as affiliate faculty at Kairos University where he facilitates the degree programs in partnership with Ephesiology Master Classes.

Andrew is a proud husband, father and pastor who desires all to know the one true King. He is honored to serve at West Village Church in Victoria, BC. Previously, he’s ministered in Houston, Chicago, Indy, Flagstaff and Tempe in a variety of church contexts. Andrew has a BA in Christian Ministry from Trinity International University and an MA from Phoenix Seminary. He is currently a Doctor of Ministry student at Kairos University and is the co-host of the Ephesiology Podcast. When not at work, he’s an avid disc golfing, vinyl playing, Spider-Man following/collecting fellow. Go Pacers.

Matt Till has woven together roles as pastor, professor, podcaster, and Emmy Award–winning writer and producer. With over 25 years in ministry—including church planting, higher education and administration, and co-hosting the Ephesiology podcast—he has dedicated his life to engaging people and communities with compassion, justice, and inclusion. Today, as Senior Director for Social Justice and Community Engagement at TelosGO, Matt continues that calling. He and his wife are raising three children in South Florida, where he can often be found reading on the beach, sipping Cuban coffee, or savoring lechón asado with yuca con mojo.

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