In episode 218 we conclude our discussion with Associate Professor David Butler of Adelaide, Australia.  He explains some of the principles within his Explain Pain Supercharged book written for the clinician, what DIMS and SIMS are, how pain education is underutilized and best advice.  We also present a hypothetical patient with chronic pain and he shares his views of keys to the interaction and education necessary for a successful outcome.  This and more this week on MCF!