Isha and John Talk with Dr. Pamela Ayo Yetunde about her experience in the American Association of Pastoral Counselors. Isha and Ayo discuss how they were called to provide spiritual care and counseling. The episodes ends with some envisioning of how a Buddhist version of the AAPC could manifest. Ayo is a professor of pastoral care and counseling at United Theological Seminary in Minneapolis St Paul. 

https://www.unitedseminary.edu/academics/faculty/pamela-ayo-yetunde/