In this episode, AJ & AJ dive into the many forms cheating can take—both physical and emotional—and how blurry those lines can get.

“J” shares a wild story from her teenage years: her high school boyfriend disappears at scout camp (before “ghosting” was even a term), only for her to later chase closure—literally—by driving 110 mph through mountain roads to win him back after his rebound fizzled. She reflects on how music from Erasure still brings her back to those intense young-love memories.

“A” opens up about a past relationship from her New Orleans days, where emotional cheating showed up in quieter but just as painful ways—like withholding key truths, blurred boundaries, and discovering too late that someone staying in their shared space had a deeper history than she was led to believe. She reflects on how, during that time, she looked to the relationships around her—and even on TV—for clarity, becoming especially drawn to Monica and Chandler from Friends as her ideal of what a healthy, supportive partnership could look like. It wasn’t until after she ended that relationship that she fully recognized what she actually wanted—and eventually found it with her “producer.”

Together, they unpack what honesty, betrayal, and trust really look like—and how cheating isn’t always as obvious as it seems.