Max and Nathaniel are joined by special guests Chiara Amato and Shannon Hafford for a debate on whether extraterrestrial life exists in the universe and, if so, if its spending time visiting Earth to shove probes into human orifices. We also talk about a movie that makes you feel like you've just been probed in the worst way conceivable: The Fourth Kind.

Intro/Outro music: Apex by Simon Mathewson