In today’s edition of Shadow talk, Dr Richard Gold joins us to discuss the return of the L0pht hackers. In 1998 the L0pht members delivered a cybersecurity hearing to the United States Senate, warning that any one person in their group could take down the Internet within 30 minutes. 20 years on, we look back on what has and hasn’t changed in the world of information security. In Part II, the team covers recent reporting on the use of military-style tactics such as war gaming and intelligence fusion centres in the financial services industry. We ask whether such tactics are effective, and whether smaller organizations can also employ the techniques being used by some of the world’s largest enterprises.