Best-selling author Sarah Gailey joins the show to talk about their latest novel Make Me Better, now available from Tor Books. They talk with Trevor about high-control groups, about the shape and scope of human hurt and how that relates to decisions and power, about facing flaws and hurts and finding grace, and a whole lot more.

For more from Sarah Gailey, you can find them at sarahgailey.com, and you can get Make Me Better at your local library or your favorite book retailer.

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