What if practicing piano actually became FUN—and you got real feedback between lessons? 🎹✨

In this episode of And If Love Remains, host Mike Leavitt sits down with Frits & Victoria van Laarhoven, the visionary husband-and-wife duo behind Clefer, the groundbreaking app revolutionizing piano education.

They share their journey of 8 years building Clefer, their recent showcase at NCKP Chicago, and why major institutions like Steinway are paying attention. More than just an app, Clefer is designed to empower teachers, motivate students, and preserve the soul of music in a tech-driven world.

🚀 Whether you’re a piano teacher, student, or music lover, this episode will inspire you to “fall deeper in love with the piano.”

00:00 – Intro: Welcome back Frits & Victoria!
02:15 – Why technology scares (and excites) music teachers
05:48 – Launching Clefer after 8 years of development
10:22 – NCKP Chicago showcase + across from Steinway booth
15:40 – Victoria’s piano lessons and testing the app
21:05 – How Clefer bridges the gap between lessons
28:33 – The fear of AI vs. the value of real teachers
36:00 – Clefer’s acoustic + MIDI capabilities
41:18 – What makes Clefer different: real coaching, not just red/green notes
49:20 – Teacher reactions + Steinway’s interest
54:15 – Upcoming Steinway Scottsdale event (October)
59:10 – Expanding repertoire, licensing songs, & quality standards
1:08:12 – Keeping students motivated with real music they love
1:15:47 – New features: teacher module, scales, arpeggios, and more
1:23:05 – Free premium access for teachers 🎁
1:28:44 – Apple iOS 26 “Liquid Glass” compatibility update
1:35:00 – Victoria’s philosophy: compete with yourself, not others
1:40:00 – Closing thoughts: Music gives us a voice when we feel voiceless 🎶

• 🌐 Clefer Website: https://www.clefer.com

• 📱 Download Clefer on the App Store / Google Play

• 🎹 Follow Clefer on Instagram: @cleferapp

• 🎼 Steinway & Sons: https://www.steinway.com

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