In this episode, Natalia, Neil, and Niki discuss the movement to defund the police.

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Here are some links and references mentioned during this week's show:

• Calls to defund or abolish the police have become a rallying cry among protestors of racial violence. Niki discussed Derek Thompson's call to "unbundle the police." Natalia referred to this National Review piece that argues many communities want more policing, and to this Jacobin interview with criminologist Alex Vitale.

In our regular closing feature, What's Making History:

• Natalia recommended Lauren Sandler's book This is All I Got: A New Mother's Search for Home.
• Neil discussed Noah Ram's org article, "'Gator Bait' chant faced opposition years ago. Nothing came of it."
• Niki shared Kaitlyn Tiffany's Atlantic article, "My Little Pony Fans Are Ready to Admit They Have a Nazi Problem."