Jeez a week can seem like a long time. Chris and me recorded this conversation a week ago - on May 28th 2020 - down a messy line from Glasgow, Scotland. It was a couple of hours before the easing of some Covid restrictions in Scotland. In the intervening days Covid-19 has been shifted off the front pages a bit by the un-folding events in the USA. It sort of seems like a world ago. Chris and me touch on UK deaths from Covid-19; Dominic Cummings and UK government hypocrisy; writing under lockdown and some thoughts on Spain's emergence from lockdown. And trying to understand people who you don't understand.