In recent times Dr Umar Johnson and Kevin Samuels have come to be known as 2 of the most controversial figures within the black community. While Johnson is very much pro black everything to the point it could be viewed by some as extreme, some believe Samuels creates the impression that dark skin women are not good enough and they seem to fare badly in his grading system which he portrays as facts - but is this true? Lastly and most interestingly, Dr Umar Johnson believes that interracial relationships are killing black families, but should colour matter when it comes to love? We discuss all this and more in episode 24.