Ian Schlakman is a Green Party candidate who is so committed to people power that he crowdsourced his platform - does that kind of make him obsolete?

We ask him about that, plus his experiences in Occupy, UBI (and an intriguing meeting with a certain Mr. Yang), his relationship to the tech community, and whether Americans' standards of living will need to change in a just and peaceful world.

This interview has a lot of practical advice in both decentralized organizing structures and building democratic, community focused businesses and is absolutely worth a listen or two.

/ Music: Commodore1983 / Editing: @killjoyfag on Twitter. / Patreon: patreon.com/notsafe