In the Future State, what does our culture look like? In this episode, we cover the issue of missing elders in our culture. Joining me in this discussion are Dr. Loren Kerns, director the doctor of ministry program at Portland Seminary and Dr. Nick Willis, professor of mathematics at George Fox University. All three of us are in our 40s, married and with children. Nick has just recently returned from a conference about this topic and gives some really interesting insights and Loren has just reread Victor Frankel's book, Man's Search for Meaning. Nick and Loren's experiences both as academics and as fathers provide some insights into this issue and some hope for aspiring elders. Definitely worth a listen.