Susanne Gawreluk is a guide for Enneagram Prison Project, and her husband, Mike, has a background in telecommunications network engineering.  In this episode, EPP Ambassador Clay Tumey sits down with Mike & Susanne for a conversation about graduation, new outlooks on life, and what it's like to go inside a prison for the first time.

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