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Gun Lawyer — Episode 250 Transcript
Gun Lawyer — Episode 250 Transcript
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Gun lawyer, Aalborg Zoo, animal donations, euthanasia, predators, tax deduction, logical fallacies, Mott and Bailey, Nirvana fallacy, gun safety, New Jersey gun laws, Colt Python, craftsmanship, modern firearms, gun rights.
SPEAKERS
Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2, Evan Nappen
Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.
Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen.
Evan Nappen 00:19
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, Teddy, I found a great way to get rid of pets.
Teddy Nappen 00:27 Ah.
Evan Nappen 00:27 I just read about this.
Teddy Nappen 00:28
Are we giving them to PETA so they can pass them on.
Evan Nappen 00:31
No, no. PETA does not like this at all, what I’m going to tell you.
Teddy Nappen 00:34 What?
Evan Nappen 00:34
This is from international news, but I figure the listeners would greatly enjoy this, Teddy. (https://apnews.com/article/denmark-zoo-pet-donations-food-predators- 6e124050c269331600ec93b266de31ff) I think you will, too. Because what I found, and this is going directly to the website where anybody can go to, is the Aalborg Zoo in Denmark. (https://aalborgzoo.dk/en/zoo-parade/donation-of-animals-for-feed/)
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Evan Nappen 00:58
And right on their webpage that they have, “Want to donate an animal for food?” “At Aalborg Zoo, it is our responsibility to ensure animals a healthy, natural and species-relevant diet. Therefore, we gratefully accept animal donations from both private individuals and businesses for euthanisation and slaughter at Aalborg Zoo.” They show a nice tiger right there eating a beautiful piece of meat of a pet, I am assuming, because.
Teddy Nappen 01:36
One might say they weren’t lying about the tiger.
Evan Nappen 01:39
They weren’t. As a matter of fact, they say, “Predators need whole prey – including fur, bones and organs – as it contributes to enrichment, nutrition and wellbeing. By allowing necessary kills to become part of the food chain, we avoid waste and instead create a meaningful farewell where the animal can benefit both garden predators and nature.” So, a meaningful farewell for your pet by letting a lion or tiger or some other predator consume it.
Teddy Nappen 02:22 Here, I’ve got, I got an idea.
Evan Nappen 02:23
Wait a minute. Listen to what the zoo accepts, man.
Teddy Nappen 02:26 Fine. Fine.
Evan Nappen 02:27 We accept.
Teddy Nappen 02:28 All right.
Evan Nappen 02:28
We accept, yeah . . . Here fluffy.
Teddy Nappen 02:33 Here we go.
Evan Nappen 02:34
You’re not gonna wake me up early in the morning anymore, begging for food.
Teddy Nappen 02:41
It’s no longer that you are taking them to a farm. You’re taking them to a zoo.
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Evan Nappen 02:46
Screw the glue factory. You’re going to the zoo. You’re going to the zoo. We accept. Okay, this is the zoo, now. Not me. Not me and Teddy. The zoo accepts both horses, horses now, and smaller prey animals, such as guinea pigs, rabbits and chickens. You know, giddy up and get your guinea pigs. Line them up. I guess maybe they’ll take gerbils and hamsters, too. I wonder if they’ll take squirrels. Man, I wish that they took squirrels. They wouldn’t be pets, but hell, take all the squirrels you want. They’re like, limb rats or tree rats. They call them. If you have an inquiry about other animals, you’re welcome to contact us. So, listen, folks.
Teddy Nappen 03:33 Oh my God.
Evan Nappen 03:34
Whatever animals you have, the Aalborg Zoo has open arms for feeding them to their predators, but please note they do not receive other predators, such as dogs and other cats. So, our dogs and cats are apparently safe from the Aalborg Zoo, but any other animal, including your horse, is acceptable. Wait, folks, don’t just donate your pet and walk away, because, get a load of this, ready? They have a waiting list for horse donations, a waiting list. And before you consider donating, guess what? They need the horse to be a maximum of 147 centimeters. The horse must be in a sound animal welfare condition for transport and not have been treated for illness. They only want fresh, healthy horses to send to the slaughter. The horse must have a horse passport. I don’t know what that’s about. Is that something TSA is now doing? Global Entry, pre-check and horse passport. I don’t know.
Teddy Nappen 04:49
I’ve got a, I’ve got a way better ad for them.
Evan Nappen 04:51
The horse will be delivered alive to the Aalborg Zoo, where it will be euthanised by trained staff and then slaughtered. The Aalborg Zoo receives the horse as a donation. And get a load of this, folks. As the owner of the horse, you can obtain a tax deduction for the value of your horse. It gives a whole new meaning to horse feed. Unbelievable. All you need to do is provide your social security number or your CVR number when handing in the horse. And the value of a horse is currently, I guess this is Denmark money, DKK, five per kg. So, they’re paying you per kg here. They’re paying you by weight for your horse. If you do not wish to provide a social security number for tax deductions, they’re still happy to take your horse without you doing that. And by the way, if you want to donate small prey, they also welcome small pets, such as chickens, rabbits and guinea pigs. Do you have that cute little guinea pig? You can call them and maybe they’ll take your gerbil or your hamster. I don’t know. Maybe even pet mice. I don’t know. Whatever you got, man.
Teddy Nappen 06:08
I see now why they have a waiting list.
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Evan Nappen 06:11
They note when can you drop them off. Yeah, between 10am and one without an appointment. Just show up. Say, here’s my pet for food. However, a maximum of four individuals at a time. If you wish to donate several animals at once, you know, in like a food bonanza for their tiger, please contact us to make an appointment. Now bring the animal alive in a box that can follow the animal and don’t have to bring back. So, you know, when you bring the box, they get to keep that cardboard box, okay? And they do not offer payment for those donations. But if you provide your social security number, you can get that tax deduction of DKK 100 per animal donated. So, folks, if you’ve been wondering what to do with your horse, maybe you have a really annoying horse like Mr. Ed, who won’t shut up. This is a solution. Or any other small prey. Isn’t it amazing the things that people think of? What a way to get rid of your pets. Donate ’em to the zoo so they can be eaten by a tiger.
Teddy Nappen 07:26
Now, I know what they can do, which is horses. They’re not just good, they’re great! Right?
Evan Nappen 07:34
Exactly, exactly. I mean, talk about the ultimate pet food commercial or something like that. Very interesting, very interesting.
Teddy Nappen 07:45
I can see why they would have a waiting list for horses. Because you can imagine, you know, all the, you know, the McMansions that have the horse farms to get the tax status. So, now, if you have a horse you want to get rid of, they’re willing to pay you and you can write it off.
Evan Nappen 08:02
Maybe can make your racehorse run faster by warning them. Listen, pal, if you don’t win this, you’re going to the zoo to be tiger food. So, if I were you, I would perform. You know, kind of give them a mob approach. You know, an incentive like that might work. I don’t know.
Teddy Nappen 08:21
The horse might say nay, though,
Evan Nappen 08:25 Teddy, that was bad.
Teddy Nappen 08:26 Yeah.
Evan Nappen 08:27
But you’re right. They might, they might. Let’s hoof out of this topic and let me tell you about something else. Now this is interesting in terms of our views on gun law propaganda. So, New Jersey does what I’m going to tell you all the time, and what I found when you argue with propagandists, when you want to argue with the gun rights oppressionists, if you can identify the logical fallacy that they are using, it can be very helpful to win the argument. And one of the logical fallacies that I want to talk about, that
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you’ll see the anti-gun rights folks use, is called the “motte-and bailey fallacy”. The motte-and-bailey fallacy is very interesting, and this is actually directly from Wiki. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and- bailey_fallacy) You can read about it and get into more depth, but here’s what wiki says about the motte-and-bailey fallacy. It’s named after the motte-and-bailey castle, and it’s a form of argument.
Evan Nappen 09:38
It’s an informal fallacy where the arguer conflates two positions that share similarities: one modest and easy to defend, that’s the “motte” part and one which is much more controversial and harder to defend, which is the “bailey”. The arguer advances a controversial position, but when challenged, insists that the more modest position is being advanced. Upon retreating to the motte, the arguer may claim that the bailey has not been refuted, because the critic refused to attack the motte, or that the critic is unreasonable, by equating an attack on the bailey with an attack on the motte.
Evan Nappen 10:30
So, we see this in New Jersey, folks. They talk about gun safety, where they call their most extreme, insane gun laws that turn law-abiding citizens into criminals, where they create the gun Gulag, where they make possession of a slingshot a felony, where they limit magazine capacity and make it felonies. Everything’s a damn felony, and what do they say? They put it under “gun safety”. So, the motte is “gun safety” and the bailey is whatever extreme gun law they’re trying to push, as long as they put it under the guise of the motte. They propagandize the motte while actually enacting and enforcing the bailey. So, use motte and bailey in your arsenal. Even when you’re just arguing, you know, with somebody at Thanksgiving dinner, and they’re using that fallacy of a tactic. Once you call them out and identify the tactic, and you say, oh, you’re using the motte-and-bailey tactic. Boom! You’ve cut them off at the knees.
Evan Nappen 11:50
All of these logical fallacies are very, very helpful in arguing with others about our Second Amendment rights. And, of course, at some point when you’re destroying them, then they’ll attack you as a person. That’s known as the ad hominem, attack the man. Attack the person, not the argument. And, you know that you’ve got them on the run when they are calling you an a hole for your position. Then call them out on that. Say, oh, don’t use an ad hominem attack on me. You’re attacking me, not the argument, and that shows that you’re losing. So, as soon as you can ID in the argument what they’re doing in their logical fallacy, it gives you the edge on winning. These are good, proven techniques.
Evan Nappen 12:47
Hey, WeShoot, our good friends, at the wonderful range in Lakewood, New Jersey, where both Teddy and I shoot, where we get our training, our certifications. We love WeShoot. Well, WeShoot is having an OA Defense & Laugo Arms Range Day. And that’s at WeShoot on Thursday, August 14, from 3 pm to 7 pm. Thursday, August 14, 3pm to 7pm. They will have Dave Wollman, the founder of OA Defense and his team, in alliance with Laugo Arms, providing free shooting of all their platforms, including the newly released Alien Remus. You ever see those Alien guns? They are cool. It’s their carry version of the Alien gun. Boy, I want to check that out. That’s the carry version of the Alien gun. So, WeShoot has a special event. Feel free to check out WeShoot this event. Their magnificent website at weshootusa.com. See the WeShoot girls there holding up beautiful guns. Great stuff to look at. And you
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will also be thrilled to see that right there in Central Jersey is this fantastic resource of WeShoot with their state-of-the-art range and a fantastic pro shop. They’re always running different sales and specials and great events. Check out weshootusa.com.
Evan Nappen 14:34
And don’t forget our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the gun rights defender of New Jersey, the premier defender. They’re there on the front lines, fighting in the courts, fighting the legislature. They have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton, and man, are we going to need them more than ever. Because they’re trying to pass that package that the Association was able to get delayed, at least through the recess. Where they’re going to put the Gun Owner Gulag on steroids. They’re going to make any accidental discharge a felony and then throw you in the Gulag. I mean, it’s just horrible. You need to belong to the Association. We’ve got to fight these gun rights oppressionists, and that is our source to do it. Go to anjrpc.org and make sure you join. Make sure you remember. They’ll send you emails about what’s going on, keep you alert as to the shenanigans going on in Trenton. They’ll have easy ways of contacting legislators with a push of a button to let your opinion be known. Join anjrpc.org today and be part of the solution.
Teddy Nappen 15:47
Just before I begin Press Checks, as we know, Press Checks are always free. One logical fallacy that the left absolutely loves, and this is one that was pointed out to me. It’s the Nirvana fallacy.
Evan Nappen 15:47
And, of course, now is when I shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible of New Jersey gun law, and man, it has saved so many people from so many problems. New Jersey is insane. Their laws don’t make any sense. They’re focused on an agenda to disfranchise us of our Second Amendment rights, to make sure we stay victims instead of defenders, to steal our guns at every chance, to turn us into felons so we even lose our right to vote. It’s all part of a package of living in that God forsaken territory we call New Jersey, or the DPRNJ, the Democratic Republic of New Jersey. So, if you want to stay on the good side of the law, you’ve got to know the gun laws. It’s super important. My book is designed just for that. It’s over 120 topics, all question and answer, consuming 500 pages of vital information. It is the book everybody swears by, hopefully not at. If you’re swearing at it, you’re probably swearing at the damn laws that I’m talking about, and I don’t blame you for that. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com and order your copy today. Make sure you scan the QR code on the front and join my private subscriber base. You’ll immediately be able to access the 2025 Comprehensive Update, which includes a standalone chapter on “sensitive places”. So, Teddy, what do you have for us this week?
Evan Nappen 17:04 What’s the Nirvana fallacy?
Teddy Nappen 17:36
It’s the idea of, oh, in the just epitomizing the idealized, unrealistic way of saying. And basically they always say, Well, if there were no guns in the United States, there’d be no gun deaths. They always and you joke, but I’ve heard leftists make that argument. And they always say like, well, if we banned
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assault firearms, we’d have no mass shootings. It’s just, it’s the end. Funny enough when, if you ever you see the new ad where they’re trying to now push for banning nationally on high capacity magazines. If we got a ban on high capacity magazines, less people would have died in the last mass shooting. They always appeal to this Nirvana unrealistic idea that it would stop a mass shooter. It’s utter stupidity. But that is one logical fallacy they love.
Evan Nappen 18:39
Though, if gun laws were $100 bills, New Jerseyans would be millionaires, but they’re not. It’s ridiculous, yeah. How do they? They just run from emotion and from logical fallacies and propaganda, and it’s all about an agenda of gun rights oppression. That’s why we have to be eternally vigilant, and you’ve got to stand up for your rights. If someone makes an anti-gun statement, don’t hesitate to step right in and straighten them out. I’ve done that many, many times, Teddy. I’ve been at a store and someone makes some stupid anti-gun comment. Even though they’re not even talking to me, I butt right in and straighten them out on their logical fallacies, their wrong information, their failure to see the truth. We got to talk. We got to speak up and not be afraid. We’ve got to tell them the truth about why our gun rights are critical to our lives. Guns save lives. Okay? That’s a fact, and that’s what you’ve got to ram it home. Anytime you hear somebody spouting anti-rights propaganda, it’s critical. That’s the whole reason for our show, too. It’s to get the word out to constantly be helping our fellow gun owners, making that message out there, and not letting them get away with their B.S. So, that’s a good point about that Nirvana, but that isn’t what you actually were going to tell us about. What are you going to tell us about?
Teddy Nappen 20:37
Well, I feel like we could probably talk about guns on the podcast.
Evan Nappen 20:42
We love talking about guns.
Evan Nappen 20:44 It’s our favorite topic.
Teddy Nappen 20:44 I know.
Teddy Nappen 20:45
It’s a nice palate cleanser, and even, having to keep, you know. Every now and then looking at The Trace to actually talk about firearms. And this is something that kind of came up, and I was wondering about it, where you kind of look, where there has been this sort of push away from the craftsmanship of firearms. Now you see a lot more modernization of you know how.
Evan Nappen 21:10
Modern guns work, but they just don’t have that, many of them, do not have that just amazing craftsmanship, where you just marvel at the workmanship of it. You know, like the old classic firearms did. It’s true, yeah. That’s why the classics are so beloved and sought after.
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Teddy Nappen 21:34
It’s also kind of, there’s a definite benefit to the modern but also the craftsmanship of the design. It’s basically trying to compare to a Luger versus a Glock, where you see the beautiful craftsmanship. But which one do you want if you’re in the trenches?
Evan Nappen 21:52
Well, I get it. But, you know, I just picked up a beautiful Luger. It was a bring back, and it actually has etched in it the soldier’s name and his service number. It’s just so full of history, and they’re just so beautifully made and machined. They’re like works of art. They’re amazing, amazing, in their craftsmanship. Yeah, they’re the just. That alone is a pleasure, and they’re fun to shoot because of the history that you’re holding in your hand and seeing just how wonderfully after all those years, they still perform.
Teddy Nappen 22:34
Hey, it worked out for Uncle Morty.
Evan Nappen 22:37
Oh yeah, my our uncle. My uncle.
Teddy Nappen 22:41 Great uncle for me,
Evan Nappen 22:42
And great uncle for you. Yeah, he actually used his P38 that he brought back from the war, that I now have. He used it when he was a law enforcement officer. He used it in the line of duty, and it saved his life. And because, prior to him leaving for the war, he carried a .32 snub nose, a little .32 and he ended up, right before he was leaving to go to war, they were chasing down a guy on a rooftop, and he emptied his gun into the guy. And it didn’t stop him. He reloaded and emptied it again. It still didn’t stop him. He ended up grabbing the guy by the pants while he’s climbing up a ladder to get to a higher roof. The guy unbuckled his pants, and my uncle’s smacking him in the head with a blackjack. Blood’s flying. It still didn’t stop him. He got away. And he didn’t find out till he got back from the war that they finally caught the guy. He had 10 rounds in him and a big old bruised head. But it didn’t matter because he was hopped up on something. Uncle Morty said, I gotta have something more powerful. So, he carried his P38 with nine millimeter. And, you know. And look, even in those days, ballistics weren’t as understood and as followed and as much of a cultural phenomenon, you know, where we can talk all day about ballistics. But it definitely had more power than his little .32 snub, that’s for sure.
Teddy Nappen 24:22
I was honestly kind of shocked he didn’t try to carry like, you know, a 1911 just for the stopping power alone.
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Evan Nappen 24:28
Well, you know, I get that with the 1911. But the thing was, at the time, the P38 was kind of cool, because it was the double action automatic pistol. Whereas, you know the Colt is a single action. So, you cock and lock it. Whereas with the P38, the first pull is a double action pull, then it goes to single. And if you ever notice the P38 was the great grand dad of the Beretta 92 with that wide open on the frame nine millimeter, etc, and double action auto. So, you know, it founded a generation of nines in and of itself. But, hey, we could debate .45 and nine millimeter all day long, yeah. But one thing for sure, it’s definitely more powerful than a .32 Smith & Wesson revolver cartridge.
Teddy Nappen 25:30
Yeah. So, trying to get back to what I was talking about, modernization versus craftsmanship. I found an article that I actually thought very much demonstrated that sort of argument. It was basically the Colt Python 357, the original versus the modern comparison. It was by a guy, Bob Campbell, and his article is on USCCA, a very interesting article. (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/classic-vs-modern- comparing-colts-original-and-new-357-pythons/)
Teddy Nappen 26:00
He said, you know what, the new ones coming out, I want to see which one’s better. And he actually took out, well, it just gave him an excuse to take out his original 1911. Yeah. Pythons poor, yeah, I know, yeah. So, he talks about how Colt Python was in big news, where they’re introducing the new Colt Cobra .357, introducing the Colt Python with the modern machining. So, it’s not using the old tactics of how they, you know, hand carved it.
Evan Nappen 26:36
Yeah. A lot of hand work on the original Pythons. A lot of work done by hand.
Teddy Nappen 26:40
Yeah, work on them, yeah. So.
Evan Nappen 26:42
Well, Teddy, you know, I own a few of them. You’ve seen how smooth and slick and beautiful the old Pythons are.
Teddy Nappen 26:48
I can see why Rick Grimes carried it in The Walking Dead.
Evan Nappen 26:52 Yeah, yeah.
Teddy Nappen 26:54
One of the things he did talk about. So, just price alone. He says his stainless steel Python would go for more than $4,000, which I don’t know if he’s right.
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Evan Nappen 27:06 That’s about right.
Teddy Nappen 27:06
And the new one is only going for about, oh, $1500 or the classic for $2000.
Evan Nappen 27:15
There is a big price difference between the original and the modern versions, absolutely.
Teddy Nappen 27:22
Yeah. So, he talks about his original Python, introduced in 1955. It was a deluxe revolver for competition hunting service. It used unique barrel ribbing and heavy under lug or for our design to provide the perfect balance that is neither handled nor muzzle heavy. It is built in a 41 frame with a Smith & Wesson K frame, or a larger Smith & Wesson N frame. The balance.
Evan Nappen 27:52
Yeah, that would be, Smith’s competitor would have been the Model 27 essentially of the Python. I have shot both, all original, you know, and they’re both great guns, super accurate. A pleasure to shoot, just classics, absolute classics.
Teddy Nappen 28:16
Yeah. And then the Colt was powered by a V spring versus Smith & Wesson used a leaf spring was both the hammer and the trigger returning, while the Smith only would have the separate trigger return spring. The Colt V spring was also easier to cock. And if factory single.
Evan Nappen 28:35
You can fire, the Colt double action very quickly. If it’s tuned right, you can really blast it fast and accurate.
Teddy Nappen 28:45
I will say I love his start of the article. He’s like, first of all, the original Python is easily the most accurate revolver I have ever fired. He just starts that off.
Evan Nappen 28:56
It’s definitely up there. It’s definitely up there. It is definitely up there.
Teddy Nappen 29:01
So, he did say, the action stacks or becomes harder at the end of the double action arc. This is accurate, but the same very good shooting may be done with Python. Others may feel the Smith & Wesson is a little more rugged. And you kind of.
Evan Nappen 29:18
Well, I think they’ve tested the guns, and to a certain degree that’s true in 337 world. Actually one of the toughest of all the 337 revolvers was the Ruger. The Ruger, originally the Security 6, GP 100, those are
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tanks. They’ve gone many, many rounds beyond Smith and Colt before they loosen up. But, you know, I like any gun. I love all the major manufacturers and their firearms. I’m not saying any one is any better than the other. But, you know, the Ruger is definitely strong, and it’s a very, very good revolver. But it just doesn’t have the same pizzazz as when you’re shooting a classic Smith or a classic Colt. It just doesn’t have it. I mean, I love them. They’re all great, but it’s just something special about the old guns there. Absolutely.
Teddy Nappen 30:16
Now, he does point out the modern one that he got, the test gun he got, was a six inch, while the one he had for his original is a four inch. But the six inch was only available, so we’ll leave that extra.
Evan Nappen 30:27
A little longer sight radius for him.
Teddy Nappen 30:33
Yeah. So, he described the new Python as the creation of modern production in the best sense of the word. He uses CNC productions to make it tight. Tolerance the chamber, barrel thread leads are very consistent. The barrel differs from the original in several regards. The front sight is removable, and the barrel crown is counter sunk.
Evan Nappen 31:03
That can help protect accuracy, because most of your accuracy is going to come at the very end of the muzzle. That’s why you want to be always very careful not to damage your muzzles. And crowning helps protect the muzzle from damage, because that can directly affect accuracy.
Teddy Nappen 31:23
Yeah. And he also says the frame top strap is thicker, think he said, think Ruger GP 100 tough.
Evan Nappen 31:33
Exactly. That went after Smith, which had forged frames. Ruger had the investment cast, and they were battling it out. I think, you know, Ruger would start, wouldn’t you really have a really thick cheeseburger than a thin one? But, you know, with their frame versus the other? But in reality, you know, the forging is very strong. So, it doesn’t have to be the same thickness as the investment cast frame. So that’s really what was going on. But there’s no question that the Rugers are built like a tank. They are. They’re strong as hell. But hey, you know, they’ll all shoot. They’ll all shoot well, and as long as you have a gun, whichever one you prefer is purely your preference, without a doubt, and there’s no right or wrong. It’s all fun. And of course, why should you only have one? Buy all three, man. It’s great.
Teddy Nappen 32:26
Yeah. So, he took them both out to fire, and he ends with, sometimes newer is better. The new Python can stand on its own merits but comparison to its predecessor is inevitable. I’ve used the Colt Python for years and often carry the model. Overall, the new Python is a better handgun. It was far more accurate.
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Evan Nappen 32:46
Well, I guess better is, you know, that’s somebody’s opinion. I get it.
Teddy Nappen 32:51
I know, but yeah. In terms of accuracy.
Evan Nappen 32:56
I’ll take the older one. Thank you. I don’t care. If you’ve got to get have a choice, just smooth. You just feel the quality, man. You just feel it. And I’m not saying the new ones are bad. As he said, they’re really, actually pretty good, right? But just some about the older guns.
Teddy Nappen 33:14
He did say the decider of it all was there was a cutout in the rear face offering increased safety in the unlikely event of a blown cartridge case. The action is far smoother than the original 1977 Python. It also had a nine pound trigger compression that seems too light for the hammers. Primers consistently, however, it does break the primer, including necessary hard Magnum primers. So.
Evan Nappen 33:41
Well, I’m glad it got a good review from him. But, you know, we have amazing modern firearms today. You know, they’re just amazing. And the use of polymers, use of so called Space Age materials. Use of, you know, computer precision machining. And yes, when it comes to production, some amazing modern guns can be made, but the old days, with the hand craftsmanship that was a large part of the manufacturing was just amazing. Hey, look today. You know, if you go to a gun store and you look for the cheapest guns they have, you might find the old top brake revolvers, right? The top breakers, sometimes even called suicide specials. But the funny thing is, you don’t see many top break revolvers today, and you want to know why, because they’re more expensive to make. That’s right. The guns that we view as cheaper are actually more expensive to make with the hand fitting and the timing and everything that goes into the operation of those top brakes is quite significant. So, you know, there’s a kind of interesting dynamic going on there. So, Teddy, I appreciate you talking to us about old versus new. And since I’m an old guy, old is always better, of course.
Teddy Nappen 35:21
And look, I mean, if you’re gonna get the original Python, get the original Python just for the collector value.
Evan Nappen 35:28
Oh, yeah. Definitely something to be said there. Hey, let me tell you about one of our favorite segments of the show, and that’s the GOFU. The GOFU is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. These are actual mistakes made by gun owners, actual cases, that ended up causing the gun owners endless amounts of grief, in terms of fighting criminal charges, fighting to save their gun rights, all kinds of things that you just rather not deal with. So, you can learn from others mistakes. It’s important. This week’s GOFU is inadvertently displaying your handgun in its holster. So, you know, when we are carrying, we normally have our shirt or jacket over our gun. And, of course, New Jersey law requires us to keep our gun concealed. You can’t open carry in New Jersey.
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Evan Nappen 36:27
Yet, New Jersey law itself under N.J.S. 2C:58-4, subsection a., right off the bat, talks about if there is a brief, inadvertent showing of a concealed gun in a holster. If that brief, inadvertent showing occurs, it is deemed to be a de minimis infraction. And when something is de minimis in law, it means it is not going to be prosecuted. So, the law recognizes that even in our movement of our body or our clothing, that on a rare occasion, right something may flash as to the holster or the gun, and doing that is not a violation of open carry in New Jersey. But that doesn’t mean you want to rely on that. Because what happens is, if an individual happens to see, and I get lots of these cases, if individuals have their guns just briefly seen by non-gun people who freak out when they see a gun, they call the police. They make up lies that you threatened them with a gun because they saw it. All kinds of problems can ensue.
Evan Nappen 37:50
So, when you carry concealed in New Jersey, make sure you are discreet. Do your utmost to never let your gun or holster be seen. Look, I understand sometimes these things happen. You’re lifting your arm up to grab something off a top shelf, and the gun flashes the holster, and maybe the gun on your belt flashes or you’re bending down to pick something up or standing. Be cognizant of that, and try to never have your gun show, because that can be a GOFU.
Evan Nappen 38:31
Hey, this is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.
Speaker 2 38:46
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Episode 250-How To Get Rid Of Your Pets
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SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Gun lawyer, Aalborg Zoo, animal donations, euthanasia, predators, tax deduction, logical fallacies, Mott and Bailey, Nirvana fallacy, gun safety, New Jersey gun laws, Colt Python, craftsmanship, modern firearms, gun rights.
SPEAKERS
Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2, Evan Nappen
Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.
Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen.
Evan Nappen 00:19
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, Teddy, I found a great way to get rid of pets.
Teddy Nappen 00:27 Ah.
Evan Nappen 00:27 I just read about this.
Teddy Nappen 00:28
Are we giving them to PETA so they can pass them on.
Evan Nappen 00:31
No, no. PETA does not like this at all, what I’m going to tell you.
Teddy Nappen 00:34 What?
Evan Nappen 00:34
This is from international news, but I figure the listeners would greatly enjoy this, Teddy. (https://apnews.com/article/denmark-zoo-pet-donations-food-predators- 6e124050c269331600ec93b266de31ff) I think you will, too. Because what I found, and this is going directly to the website where anybody can go to, is the Aalborg Zoo in Denmark. (https://aalborgzoo.dk/en/zoo-parade/donation-of-animals-for-feed/)
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Evan Nappen 00:58
And right on their webpage that they have, “Want to donate an animal for food?” “At Aalborg Zoo, it is our responsibility to ensure animals a healthy, natural and species-relevant diet. Therefore, we gratefully accept animal donations from both private individuals and businesses for euthanisation and slaughter at Aalborg Zoo.” They show a nice tiger right there eating a beautiful piece of meat of a pet, I am assuming, because.
Teddy Nappen 01:36
One might say they weren’t lying about the tiger.
Evan Nappen 01:39
They weren’t. As a matter of fact, they say, “Predators need whole prey – including fur, bones and organs – as it contributes to enrichment, nutrition and wellbeing. By allowing necessary kills to become part of the food chain, we avoid waste and instead create a meaningful farewell where the animal can benefit both garden predators and nature.” So, a meaningful farewell for your pet by letting a lion or tiger or some other predator consume it.
Teddy Nappen 02:22 Here, I’ve got, I got an idea.
Evan Nappen 02:23
Wait a minute. Listen to what the zoo accepts, man.
Teddy Nappen 02:26 Fine. Fine.
Evan Nappen 02:27 We accept.
Teddy Nappen 02:28 All right.
Evan Nappen 02:28
We accept, yeah . . . Here fluffy.
Teddy Nappen 02:33 Here we go.
Evan Nappen 02:34
You’re not gonna wake me up early in the morning anymore, begging for food.
Teddy Nappen 02:41
It’s no longer that you are taking them to a farm. You’re taking them to a zoo.
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Evan Nappen 02:46
Screw the glue factory. You’re going to the zoo. You’re going to the zoo. We accept. Okay, this is the zoo, now. Not me. Not me and Teddy. The zoo accepts both horses, horses now, and smaller prey animals, such as guinea pigs, rabbits and chickens. You know, giddy up and get your guinea pigs. Line them up. I guess maybe they’ll take gerbils and hamsters, too. I wonder if they’ll take squirrels. Man, I wish that they took squirrels. They wouldn’t be pets, but hell, take all the squirrels you want. They’re like, limb rats or tree rats. They call them. If you have an inquiry about other animals, you’re welcome to contact us. So, listen, folks.
Teddy Nappen 03:33 Oh my God.
Evan Nappen 03:34
Whatever animals you have, the Aalborg Zoo has open arms for feeding them to their predators, but please note they do not receive other predators, such as dogs and other cats. So, our dogs and cats are apparently safe from the Aalborg Zoo, but any other animal, including your horse, is acceptable. Wait, folks, don’t just donate your pet and walk away, because, get a load of this, ready? They have a waiting list for horse donations, a waiting list. And before you consider donating, guess what? They need the horse to be a maximum of 147 centimeters. The horse must be in a sound animal welfare condition for transport and not have been treated for illness. They only want fresh, healthy horses to send to the slaughter. The horse must have a horse passport. I don’t know what that’s about. Is that something TSA is now doing? Global Entry, pre-check and horse passport. I don’t know.
Teddy Nappen 04:49
I’ve got a, I’ve got a way better ad for them.
Evan Nappen 04:51
The horse will be delivered alive to the Aalborg Zoo, where it will be euthanised by trained staff and then slaughtered. The Aalborg Zoo receives the horse as a donation. And get a load of this, folks. As the owner of the horse, you can obtain a tax deduction for the value of your horse. It gives a whole new meaning to horse feed. Unbelievable. All you need to do is provide your social security number or your CVR number when handing in the horse. And the value of a horse is currently, I guess this is Denmark money, DKK, five per kg. So, they’re paying you per kg here. They’re paying you by weight for your horse. If you do not wish to provide a social security number for tax deductions, they’re still happy to take your horse without you doing that. And by the way, if you want to donate small prey, they also welcome small pets, such as chickens, rabbits and guinea pigs. Do you have that cute little guinea pig? You can call them and maybe they’ll take your gerbil or your hamster. I don’t know. Maybe even pet mice. I don’t know. Whatever you got, man.
Teddy Nappen 06:08
I see now why they have a waiting list.
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Evan Nappen 06:11
They note when can you drop them off. Yeah, between 10am and one without an appointment. Just show up. Say, here’s my pet for food. However, a maximum of four individuals at a time. If you wish to donate several animals at once, you know, in like a food bonanza for their tiger, please contact us to make an appointment. Now bring the animal alive in a box that can follow the animal and don’t have to bring back. So, you know, when you bring the box, they get to keep that cardboard box, okay? And they do not offer payment for those donations. But if you provide your social security number, you can get that tax deduction of DKK 100 per animal donated. So, folks, if you’ve been wondering what to do with your horse, maybe you have a really annoying horse like Mr. Ed, who won’t shut up. This is a solution. Or any other small prey. Isn’t it amazing the things that people think of? What a way to get rid of your pets. Donate ’em to the zoo so they can be eaten by a tiger.
Teddy Nappen 07:26
Now, I know what they can do, which is horses. They’re not just good, they’re great! Right?
Evan Nappen 07:34
Exactly, exactly. I mean, talk about the ultimate pet food commercial or something like that. Very interesting, very interesting.
Teddy Nappen 07:45
I can see why they would have a waiting list for horses. Because you can imagine, you know, all the, you know, the McMansions that have the horse farms to get the tax status. So, now, if you have a horse you want to get rid of, they’re willing to pay you and you can write it off.
Evan Nappen 08:02
Maybe can make your racehorse run faster by warning them. Listen, pal, if you don’t win this, you’re going to the zoo to be tiger food. So, if I were you, I would perform. You know, kind of give them a mob approach. You know, an incentive like that might work. I don’t know.
Teddy Nappen 08:21
The horse might say nay, though,
Evan Nappen 08:25 Teddy, that was bad.
Teddy Nappen 08:26 Yeah.
Evan Nappen 08:27
But you’re right. They might, they might. Let’s hoof out of this topic and let me tell you about something else. Now this is interesting in terms of our views on gun law propaganda. So, New Jersey does what I’m going to tell you all the time, and what I found when you argue with propagandists, when you want to argue with the gun rights oppressionists, if you can identify the logical fallacy that they are using, it can be very helpful to win the argument. And one of the logical fallacies that I want to talk about, that
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you’ll see the anti-gun rights folks use, is called the “motte-and bailey fallacy”. The motte-and-bailey fallacy is very interesting, and this is actually directly from Wiki. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and- bailey_fallacy) You can read about it and get into more depth, but here’s what wiki says about the motte-and-bailey fallacy. It’s named after the motte-and-bailey castle, and it’s a form of argument.
Evan Nappen 09:38
It’s an informal fallacy where the arguer conflates two positions that share similarities: one modest and easy to defend, that’s the “motte” part and one which is much more controversial and harder to defend, which is the “bailey”. The arguer advances a controversial position, but when challenged, insists that the more modest position is being advanced. Upon retreating to the motte, the arguer may claim that the bailey has not been refuted, because the critic refused to attack the motte, or that the critic is unreasonable, by equating an attack on the bailey with an attack on the motte.
Evan Nappen 10:30
So, we see this in New Jersey, folks. They talk about gun safety, where they call their most extreme, insane gun laws that turn law-abiding citizens into criminals, where they create the gun Gulag, where they make possession of a slingshot a felony, where they limit magazine capacity and make it felonies. Everything’s a damn felony, and what do they say? They put it under “gun safety”. So, the motte is “gun safety” and the bailey is whatever extreme gun law they’re trying to push, as long as they put it under the guise of the motte. They propagandize the motte while actually enacting and enforcing the bailey. So, use motte and bailey in your arsenal. Even when you’re just arguing, you know, with somebody at Thanksgiving dinner, and they’re using that fallacy of a tactic. Once you call them out and identify the tactic, and you say, oh, you’re using the motte-and-bailey tactic. Boom! You’ve cut them off at the knees.
Evan Nappen 11:50
All of these logical fallacies are very, very helpful in arguing with others about our Second Amendment rights. And, of course, at some point when you’re destroying them, then they’ll attack you as a person. That’s known as the ad hominem, attack the man. Attack the person, not the argument. And, you know that you’ve got them on the run when they are calling you an a hole for your position. Then call them out on that. Say, oh, don’t use an ad hominem attack on me. You’re attacking me, not the argument, and that shows that you’re losing. So, as soon as you can ID in the argument what they’re doing in their logical fallacy, it gives you the edge on winning. These are good, proven techniques.
Evan Nappen 12:47
Hey, WeShoot, our good friends, at the wonderful range in Lakewood, New Jersey, where both Teddy and I shoot, where we get our training, our certifications. We love WeShoot. Well, WeShoot is having an OA Defense & Laugo Arms Range Day. And that’s at WeShoot on Thursday, August 14, from 3 pm to 7 pm. Thursday, August 14, 3pm to 7pm. They will have Dave Wollman, the founder of OA Defense and his team, in alliance with Laugo Arms, providing free shooting of all their platforms, including the newly released Alien Remus. You ever see those Alien guns? They are cool. It’s their carry version of the Alien gun. Boy, I want to check that out. That’s the carry version of the Alien gun. So, WeShoot has a special event. Feel free to check out WeShoot this event. Their magnificent website at weshootusa.com. See the WeShoot girls there holding up beautiful guns. Great stuff to look at. And you
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will also be thrilled to see that right there in Central Jersey is this fantastic resource of WeShoot with their state-of-the-art range and a fantastic pro shop. They’re always running different sales and specials and great events. Check out weshootusa.com.
Evan Nappen 14:34
And don’t forget our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the gun rights defender of New Jersey, the premier defender. They’re there on the front lines, fighting in the courts, fighting the legislature. They have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton, and man, are we going to need them more than ever. Because they’re trying to pass that package that the Association was able to get delayed, at least through the recess. Where they’re going to put the Gun Owner Gulag on steroids. They’re going to make any accidental discharge a felony and then throw you in the Gulag. I mean, it’s just horrible. You need to belong to the Association. We’ve got to fight these gun rights oppressionists, and that is our source to do it. Go to anjrpc.org and make sure you join. Make sure you remember. They’ll send you emails about what’s going on, keep you alert as to the shenanigans going on in Trenton. They’ll have easy ways of contacting legislators with a push of a button to let your opinion be known. Join anjrpc.org today and be part of the solution.
Teddy Nappen 15:47
Just before I begin Press Checks, as we know, Press Checks are always free. One logical fallacy that the left absolutely loves, and this is one that was pointed out to me. It’s the Nirvana fallacy.
Evan Nappen 15:47
And, of course, now is when I shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible of New Jersey gun law, and man, it has saved so many people from so many problems. New Jersey is insane. Their laws don’t make any sense. They’re focused on an agenda to disfranchise us of our Second Amendment rights, to make sure we stay victims instead of defenders, to steal our guns at every chance, to turn us into felons so we even lose our right to vote. It’s all part of a package of living in that God forsaken territory we call New Jersey, or the DPRNJ, the Democratic Republic of New Jersey. So, if you want to stay on the good side of the law, you’ve got to know the gun laws. It’s super important. My book is designed just for that. It’s over 120 topics, all question and answer, consuming 500 pages of vital information. It is the book everybody swears by, hopefully not at. If you’re swearing at it, you’re probably swearing at the damn laws that I’m talking about, and I don’t blame you for that. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com and order your copy today. Make sure you scan the QR code on the front and join my private subscriber base. You’ll immediately be able to access the 2025 Comprehensive Update, which includes a standalone chapter on “sensitive places”. So, Teddy, what do you have for us this week?
Evan Nappen 17:04 What’s the Nirvana fallacy?
Teddy Nappen 17:36
It’s the idea of, oh, in the just epitomizing the idealized, unrealistic way of saying. And basically they always say, Well, if there were no guns in the United States, there’d be no gun deaths. They always and you joke, but I’ve heard leftists make that argument. And they always say like, well, if we banned
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assault firearms, we’d have no mass shootings. It’s just, it’s the end. Funny enough when, if you ever you see the new ad where they’re trying to now push for banning nationally on high capacity magazines. If we got a ban on high capacity magazines, less people would have died in the last mass shooting. They always appeal to this Nirvana unrealistic idea that it would stop a mass shooter. It’s utter stupidity. But that is one logical fallacy they love.
Evan Nappen 18:39
Though, if gun laws were $100 bills, New Jerseyans would be millionaires, but they’re not. It’s ridiculous, yeah. How do they? They just run from emotion and from logical fallacies and propaganda, and it’s all about an agenda of gun rights oppression. That’s why we have to be eternally vigilant, and you’ve got to stand up for your rights. If someone makes an anti-gun statement, don’t hesitate to step right in and straighten them out. I’ve done that many, many times, Teddy. I’ve been at a store and someone makes some stupid anti-gun comment. Even though they’re not even talking to me, I butt right in and straighten them out on their logical fallacies, their wrong information, their failure to see the truth. We got to talk. We got to speak up and not be afraid. We’ve got to tell them the truth about why our gun rights are critical to our lives. Guns save lives. Okay? That’s a fact, and that’s what you’ve got to ram it home. Anytime you hear somebody spouting anti-rights propaganda, it’s critical. That’s the whole reason for our show, too. It’s to get the word out to constantly be helping our fellow gun owners, making that message out there, and not letting them get away with their B.S. So, that’s a good point about that Nirvana, but that isn’t what you actually were going to tell us about. What are you going to tell us about?
Teddy Nappen 20:37
Well, I feel like we could probably talk about guns on the podcast.
Evan Nappen 20:42
We love talking about guns.
Evan Nappen 20:44 It’s our favorite topic.
Teddy Nappen 20:44 I know.
Teddy Nappen 20:45
It’s a nice palate cleanser, and even, having to keep, you know. Every now and then looking at The Trace to actually talk about firearms. And this is something that kind of came up, and I was wondering about it, where you kind of look, where there has been this sort of push away from the craftsmanship of firearms. Now you see a lot more modernization of you know how.
Evan Nappen 21:10
Modern guns work, but they just don’t have that, many of them, do not have that just amazing craftsmanship, where you just marvel at the workmanship of it. You know, like the old classic firearms did. It’s true, yeah. That’s why the classics are so beloved and sought after.
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Teddy Nappen 21:34
It’s also kind of, there’s a definite benefit to the modern but also the craftsmanship of the design. It’s basically trying to compare to a Luger versus a Glock, where you see the beautiful craftsmanship. But which one do you want if you’re in the trenches?
Evan Nappen 21:52
Well, I get it. But, you know, I just picked up a beautiful Luger. It was a bring back, and it actually has etched in it the soldier’s name and his service number. It’s just so full of history, and they’re just so beautifully made and machined. They’re like works of art. They’re amazing, amazing, in their craftsmanship. Yeah, they’re the just. That alone is a pleasure, and they’re fun to shoot because of the history that you’re holding in your hand and seeing just how wonderfully after all those years, they still perform.
Teddy Nappen 22:34
Hey, it worked out for Uncle Morty.
Evan Nappen 22:37
Oh yeah, my our uncle. My uncle.
Teddy Nappen 22:41 Great uncle for me,
Evan Nappen 22:42
And great uncle for you. Yeah, he actually used his P38 that he brought back from the war, that I now have. He used it when he was a law enforcement officer. He used it in the line of duty, and it saved his life. And because, prior to him leaving for the war, he carried a .32 snub nose, a little .32 and he ended up, right before he was leaving to go to war, they were chasing down a guy on a rooftop, and he emptied his gun into the guy. And it didn’t stop him. He reloaded and emptied it again. It still didn’t stop him. He ended up grabbing the guy by the pants while he’s climbing up a ladder to get to a higher roof. The guy unbuckled his pants, and my uncle’s smacking him in the head with a blackjack. Blood’s flying. It still didn’t stop him. He got away. And he didn’t find out till he got back from the war that they finally caught the guy. He had 10 rounds in him and a big old bruised head. But it didn’t matter because he was hopped up on something. Uncle Morty said, I gotta have something more powerful. So, he carried his P38 with nine millimeter. And, you know. And look, even in those days, ballistics weren’t as understood and as followed and as much of a cultural phenomenon, you know, where we can talk all day about ballistics. But it definitely had more power than his little .32 snub, that’s for sure.
Teddy Nappen 24:22
I was honestly kind of shocked he didn’t try to carry like, you know, a 1911 just for the stopping power alone.
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Evan Nappen 24:28
Well, you know, I get that with the 1911. But the thing was, at the time, the P38 was kind of cool, because it was the double action automatic pistol. Whereas, you know the Colt is a single action. So, you cock and lock it. Whereas with the P38, the first pull is a double action pull, then it goes to single. And if you ever notice the P38 was the great grand dad of the Beretta 92 with that wide open on the frame nine millimeter, etc, and double action auto. So, you know, it founded a generation of nines in and of itself. But, hey, we could debate .45 and nine millimeter all day long, yeah. But one thing for sure, it’s definitely more powerful than a .32 Smith & Wesson revolver cartridge.
Teddy Nappen 25:30
Yeah. So, trying to get back to what I was talking about, modernization versus craftsmanship. I found an article that I actually thought very much demonstrated that sort of argument. It was basically the Colt Python 357, the original versus the modern comparison. It was by a guy, Bob Campbell, and his article is on USCCA, a very interesting article. (https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/classic-vs-modern- comparing-colts-original-and-new-357-pythons/)
Teddy Nappen 26:00
He said, you know what, the new ones coming out, I want to see which one’s better. And he actually took out, well, it just gave him an excuse to take out his original 1911. Yeah. Pythons poor, yeah, I know, yeah. So, he talks about how Colt Python was in big news, where they’re introducing the new Colt Cobra .357, introducing the Colt Python with the modern machining. So, it’s not using the old tactics of how they, you know, hand carved it.
Evan Nappen 26:36
Yeah. A lot of hand work on the original Pythons. A lot of work done by hand.
Teddy Nappen 26:40
Yeah, work on them, yeah. So.
Evan Nappen 26:42
Well, Teddy, you know, I own a few of them. You’ve seen how smooth and slick and beautiful the old Pythons are.
Teddy Nappen 26:48
I can see why Rick Grimes carried it in The Walking Dead.
Evan Nappen 26:52 Yeah, yeah.
Teddy Nappen 26:54
One of the things he did talk about. So, just price alone. He says his stainless steel Python would go for more than $4,000, which I don’t know if he’s right.
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Evan Nappen 27:06 That’s about right.
Teddy Nappen 27:06
And the new one is only going for about, oh, $1500 or the classic for $2000.
Evan Nappen 27:15
There is a big price difference between the original and the modern versions, absolutely.
Teddy Nappen 27:22
Yeah. So, he talks about his original Python, introduced in 1955. It was a deluxe revolver for competition hunting service. It used unique barrel ribbing and heavy under lug or for our design to provide the perfect balance that is neither handled nor muzzle heavy. It is built in a 41 frame with a Smith & Wesson K frame, or a larger Smith & Wesson N frame. The balance.
Evan Nappen 27:52
Yeah, that would be, Smith’s competitor would have been the Model 27 essentially of the Python. I have shot both, all original, you know, and they’re both great guns, super accurate. A pleasure to shoot, just classics, absolute classics.
Teddy Nappen 28:16
Yeah. And then the Colt was powered by a V spring versus Smith & Wesson used a leaf spring was both the hammer and the trigger returning, while the Smith only would have the separate trigger return spring. The Colt V spring was also easier to cock. And if factory single.
Evan Nappen 28:35
You can fire, the Colt double action very quickly. If it’s tuned right, you can really blast it fast and accurate.
Teddy Nappen 28:45
I will say I love his start of the article. He’s like, first of all, the original Python is easily the most accurate revolver I have ever fired. He just starts that off.
Evan Nappen 28:56
It’s definitely up there. It’s definitely up there. It is definitely up there.
Teddy Nappen 29:01
So, he did say, the action stacks or becomes harder at the end of the double action arc. This is accurate, but the same very good shooting may be done with Python. Others may feel the Smith & Wesson is a little more rugged. And you kind of.
Evan Nappen 29:18
Well, I think they’ve tested the guns, and to a certain degree that’s true in 337 world. Actually one of the toughest of all the 337 revolvers was the Ruger. The Ruger, originally the Security 6, GP 100, those are
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tanks. They’ve gone many, many rounds beyond Smith and Colt before they loosen up. But, you know, I like any gun. I love all the major manufacturers and their firearms. I’m not saying any one is any better than the other. But, you know, the Ruger is definitely strong, and it’s a very, very good revolver. But it just doesn’t have the same pizzazz as when you’re shooting a classic Smith or a classic Colt. It just doesn’t have it. I mean, I love them. They’re all great, but it’s just something special about the old guns there. Absolutely.
Teddy Nappen 30:16
Now, he does point out the modern one that he got, the test gun he got, was a six inch, while the one he had for his original is a four inch. But the six inch was only available, so we’ll leave that extra.
Evan Nappen 30:27
A little longer sight radius for him.
Teddy Nappen 30:33
Yeah. So, he described the new Python as the creation of modern production in the best sense of the word. He uses CNC productions to make it tight. Tolerance the chamber, barrel thread leads are very consistent. The barrel differs from the original in several regards. The front sight is removable, and the barrel crown is counter sunk.
Evan Nappen 31:03
That can help protect accuracy, because most of your accuracy is going to come at the very end of the muzzle. That’s why you want to be always very careful not to damage your muzzles. And crowning helps protect the muzzle from damage, because that can directly affect accuracy.
Teddy Nappen 31:23
Yeah. And he also says the frame top strap is thicker, think he said, think Ruger GP 100 tough.
Evan Nappen 31:33
Exactly. That went after Smith, which had forged frames. Ruger had the investment cast, and they were battling it out. I think, you know, Ruger would start, wouldn’t you really have a really thick cheeseburger than a thin one? But, you know, with their frame versus the other? But in reality, you know, the forging is very strong. So, it doesn’t have to be the same thickness as the investment cast frame. So that’s really what was going on. But there’s no question that the Rugers are built like a tank. They are. They’re strong as hell. But hey, you know, they’ll all shoot. They’ll all shoot well, and as long as you have a gun, whichever one you prefer is purely your preference, without a doubt, and there’s no right or wrong. It’s all fun. And of course, why should you only have one? Buy all three, man. It’s great.
Teddy Nappen 32:26
Yeah. So, he took them both out to fire, and he ends with, sometimes newer is better. The new Python can stand on its own merits but comparison to its predecessor is inevitable. I’ve used the Colt Python for years and often carry the model. Overall, the new Python is a better handgun. It was far more accurate.
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Evan Nappen 32:46
Well, I guess better is, you know, that’s somebody’s opinion. I get it.
Teddy Nappen 32:51
I know, but yeah. In terms of accuracy.
Evan Nappen 32:56
I’ll take the older one. Thank you. I don’t care. If you’ve got to get have a choice, just smooth. You just feel the quality, man. You just feel it. And I’m not saying the new ones are bad. As he said, they’re really, actually pretty good, right? But just some about the older guns.
Teddy Nappen 33:14
He did say the decider of it all was there was a cutout in the rear face offering increased safety in the unlikely event of a blown cartridge case. The action is far smoother than the original 1977 Python. It also had a nine pound trigger compression that seems too light for the hammers. Primers consistently, however, it does break the primer, including necessary hard Magnum primers. So.
Evan Nappen 33:41
Well, I’m glad it got a good review from him. But, you know, we have amazing modern firearms today. You know, they’re just amazing. And the use of polymers, use of so called Space Age materials. Use of, you know, computer precision machining. And yes, when it comes to production, some amazing modern guns can be made, but the old days, with the hand craftsmanship that was a large part of the manufacturing was just amazing. Hey, look today. You know, if you go to a gun store and you look for the cheapest guns they have, you might find the old top brake revolvers, right? The top breakers, sometimes even called suicide specials. But the funny thing is, you don’t see many top break revolvers today, and you want to know why, because they’re more expensive to make. That’s right. The guns that we view as cheaper are actually more expensive to make with the hand fitting and the timing and everything that goes into the operation of those top brakes is quite significant. So, you know, there’s a kind of interesting dynamic going on there. So, Teddy, I appreciate you talking to us about old versus new. And since I’m an old guy, old is always better, of course.
Teddy Nappen 35:21
And look, I mean, if you’re gonna get the original Python, get the original Python just for the collector value.
Evan Nappen 35:28
Oh, yeah. Definitely something to be said there. Hey, let me tell you about one of our favorite segments of the show, and that’s the GOFU. The GOFU is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. These are actual mistakes made by gun owners, actual cases, that ended up causing the gun owners endless amounts of grief, in terms of fighting criminal charges, fighting to save their gun rights, all kinds of things that you just rather not deal with. So, you can learn from others mistakes. It’s important. This week’s GOFU is inadvertently displaying your handgun in its holster. So, you know, when we are carrying, we normally have our shirt or jacket over our gun. And, of course, New Jersey law requires us to keep our gun concealed. You can’t open carry in New Jersey.
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Evan Nappen 36:27
Yet, New Jersey law itself under N.J.S. 2C:58-4, subsection a., right off the bat, talks about if there is a brief, inadvertent showing of a concealed gun in a holster. If that brief, inadvertent showing occurs, it is deemed to be a de minimis infraction. And when something is de minimis in law, it means it is not going to be prosecuted. So, the law recognizes that even in our movement of our body or our clothing, that on a rare occasion, right something may flash as to the holster or the gun, and doing that is not a violation of open carry in New Jersey. But that doesn’t mean you want to rely on that. Because what happens is, if an individual happens to see, and I get lots of these cases, if individuals have their guns just briefly seen by non-gun people who freak out when they see a gun, they call the police. They make up lies that you threatened them with a gun because they saw it. All kinds of problems can ensue.
Evan Nappen 37:50
So, when you carry concealed in New Jersey, make sure you are discreet. Do your utmost to never let your gun or holster be seen. Look, I understand sometimes these things happen. You’re lifting your arm up to grab something off a top shelf, and the gun flashes the holster, and maybe the gun on your belt flashes or you’re bending down to pick something up or standing. Be cognizant of that, and try to never have your gun show, because that can be a GOFU.
Evan Nappen 38:31
Hey, this is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.
Speaker 2 38:46
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