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Briahna got tons of feed back on the Richard Wolff episode about the debt ceiling debate from Modern Monetary Theory heads who objected to Wolff treating the US economy like a household budget. So Briahna asked the foremost MMT economist & author of "The Deficit Myth," Professor Stephanie Kelton, on to explain what the left's approach to the debt ceiling discourse should be in her view. Also, Professor Kelton, who advised Senator Sanders in 2020, talks about her frustration with Bernie's reliance on "pay for" rhetoric, and argues that the left can't avoid teaching the public about MMT forever.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

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