On Episode 255, Alli and her guest consider Frank B. Gilbreth and Ernestine Gilbreth Carey’s Cheaper By the Dozen… and it’s absolutely nothing like the romp of a Steve Martin movie you remember from your childhood. Instead, the book that inspired the movie(s) opens up conversations about the problematic nature of efficiency experts, narcissism, the Duggars, corporal punishment, and extremely toxic masculinity. You don’t want to miss this thoughtful, thorough discussion!

Jake Maia Arlow is the author of Almost Flying, How to Excavate A Heart, and The Year My Life Went Down the Toilet. Follow them on Instagram (@jakewhosasillygoose).

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