My Guest This week is Steven Wolf.

(Or Wolf as everyone calls him.)

Wolf is a drummer, programmer, songwriter, and music producer. His discography includes numerous gold, platinum, and Grammy winning records. He has worked with a range of artists including Alicia Keys, Katy Perry, Hiram Bullock, Grover Washington Jr., Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin, The Bee Gees, Miley Cyrus, Annie Lennox, David Bowie and many more.

We talk about all kinds of things for nearly 2 hours: evolving as a musician, expanding one’s  horizons in terms of moving away from chops-oriented playing to more song-oriented playing, dealing with playing related injuries and how to transcend them, the ego and how it relates to making music, and we also talk about the current state of things.

This chat was from a few months back and we were a week into the George Floyd protests.  Steve’s been in LA for the past few months and here’s how the conversation went.