Jamarlin talks to Bria Sullivan, a trailblazing mobile-app developer, about her work at Google and how she is helping others get in the game. They discuss internal cultural optimization, and whether African American culture is "underweight" in tech and science and "overweight" in athletics and entertainment. They also discuss Jamarlin's experience at McKinsey & Co, where an applicant with a 4.0 GPA and near-perfect SAT score was rejected because he was from the "wrong school."

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