Megan and Eliyannah talk about “playing the game” in the entertainment business, and if that’s necessary to make the work you want. They talk about Shonda Rhimes breaking in with Grey’s Anatomy and now having the green light to make strong black female centric shows, as well as Eliyannah's decision to make a show about Black Hermione knowing it was a hard path ahead. Also discussed: the renaissance of the auteur in filmmaking, Beychella, a debate on two-player vs group UNO.