This month we have a double, yet related, feature.

First, in side A, I talk with Alan Williamson and Lindsey Joyce, the editor-in-chief and managing editor respectively of Five out of Ten. We chat about the creation and ongoing process of creating the magazine, what it's like working with a hand of experience and what it's like learning the ropes.

Then, in side B, Alan Williamson returns, this time, with his co-author Kaitlin Tremblay to talk about their book, Escape to Na Pali: Journey to the Unreal, that came out of an upgraded Five out of Ten pitch. They explain their love of the game and the collaborative process for crafting the collection of essays.

SHOW NOTES

Five out of Ten

Escape to Na Pali: Journey to the Unreal

Five out of Ten Patreon

Reality Check: Murder We Wrote

Opening Theme: 'Close' by The Alpha Conspiracy

Closing Theme: 'Wishing Never' by The Alpha Conspiracy