In Episode 26 of The Good Oil Podcast, Cam gets to know Nathan Seuli of PILLAR: Protecting Individual Life, Liberty, And Rights.

Nathan is a Christian advocate for free speech, civil liberties, and rights to privacy, and a strong believer in a public square that is moderate, reasonable, and transparent.

He unpacks why values matter, what is at stake when they are weakened, and why defending them matters for every New Zealander.

A thoughtful conversation with a few hard truths, and two impressive beards at the table.