How can we know who’s right and who’s wrong? Is there any hope for

Christian Nationalists? My friend and classmate Daniel Rogers shares his

experience with the cognitive dissonance he encountered as a Bible-thumping

fundamentalist that ultimately led him to a whole new way of being and

loving. The catalyst? Fruit. Our conversation is sometimes goofy, sometimes

profound, but always comes back to Jesus’ teaching: you shall know them by

their fruit.