Your favorite podcast pros are back at it, discussing new albums from The Format and Joyce Manor, as well as early 80s punk.

They also discuss the novels Butcher's Crossing by John Williams and Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi.

Some recent kitchen successes are shared, including Zach's favorite homemade Indian dish and Jeff's preferred brand of refried beans (pun intended).

Lastly, they go over recent YouTube and documentary faves, The Adam Friedland Show and Secret Mall Apartment.