We know, We know, its corny but it made us laugh out loud. Our final show of the season and the year. Today we had an open ended conversation with Jerry's Dad, Jerry Wagner Sr. With almost 30 years of sobriety he had a great deal to say on the subject. It was such a fun and insightful conversation that could have easily gone on longer. We talked about pain and purpose, science and spirituality. One of our best shows for sure. We hope you enjoy and we will Zee...you next year!

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