Today’s conversation is not an easy one — and it’s not meant to be.

This episode looks at a story that includes a violent crime, an arrest, two trials with two very different outcomes, and the ripple effects that continue long after a verdict is read. In June of 2024, a shooting at Veteran’s Tavern in Pueblo, Colorado left two women injured, and took the life of 65-year-old Elaine Masias. David Frank Martinez was later arrested and ultimately convicted after a second trial, following an earlier mistrial in which a jury could not reach a unanimous decision.

We’re joined by Martinez’s daughter, who believes that conviction was wrongful. We gave her the space to share her perspective — what she saw unfold, what she feels was misunderstood, and how this experience has shaped her family’s life ever since.

Our goal here is not to retry the case, challenge the courts, or act as investigators. We’re not a courtroom, and we’re not presenting new evidence. This is a conversation. We rely on publicly reported information to outline the timeline, and we focus on the human side of a process that is often reduced to headlines, documents, and soundbites.

This episode deals with difficult subject matter and real loss. We encourage listeners to approach it with the understanding that this is one family’s perspective on events that have already been adjudicated in court, while legal processes continue to unfold.

As always, we try to ask honest questions, listen carefully, and give space to stories that are complicated, emotional, and not easily summarized.

Thank you for listening.

Cheers,

m&t