Writer and béchamel enthusiast Hannah Selinger and I get granular about the creamiest of mother sauces: how to make it, how you can screw it up (and fix it!), what wines to drink with it, and all the ways you can use it to make a simple, delicious dinner. We also talk about nostalgic 90s snack foods, growing up with magazine cuisine, and what and who is important to support in the food world right now.