Marie Viljoen is a blogger and author who teaches people to grow food in small spaces. She talks to Jill about urban gardening and shares her thoughts about growing and cooking. Then Jill visits self-nourishment coach Jeanette Bronne who cooks her a Kale and Roasted Vegetable salad. Jeanette tells Jill that massaging kale with salt helps to make it more digestible, And finally Jill asks Dr Frank Spinelli MD to explain how the treatment of HIV and AIDS has changed and ask him if advances in treatment have made us complacent.