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We're pushing part two of the Cedric Johnson interview to next week in favor of a timely discussion with Representative Ro Khanna about whether the debt ceiling bill represents a "win" for Democrats or a failure of elected progressives to fight. In this interview, which took place hours before last night's vote, Khanna answers whether the Democratic no votes were really performative, whether Biden's failure to raise the debt ceiling during last year's lame duck session disqualifies him from party leadership, and whether Khanna still stands by his decision to support Hakeem Jefferies as minority leader.

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