This episode of Power Talk Podcast centers on money, increase, and the heart posture God desires toward finances. Pastors Paul Ceccato and Campus Pastor Matthew De Leon open with honesty about the stigma around “money and church,” acknowledging abuses in some ministries while emphasizing that most pastors live modestly and often work additional jobs to support their families.

They share personal stories of sacrifice, long hours, and seasons of receiving little to no income from ministry—not to complain, but to show that their teaching on increase is not about enriching themselves. Instead, they stress that biblical increase is holistic: spiritual, creative, relational, and yes, financial.