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In episode 286, Pr. Borghardt and Jon are joined by Sandra Ostapowich and Pr. Aaron Fenker. Pastor Fenker talks about his breakaway at the Crucified 2014 conferences, “That Verse You Keep Using: I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.” He walks through some of the more popular verses that are often taken out of context and teaches us what they really mean.

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