Jim Brown will be our ethics speaker in Atlanta for the 2024 Conference. His historic 50 years as an advocate for advocates will mesmerize and entertain you from beginning to end. This will be one of those episodes you will want to find a private-quiet place and have a notebook at the ready for the nuggets that is packed into this episode. Also, for all you podcast geeks - there is an Easter Egg contained in this episode. What were ALJs called before they were recognized as ALJs?