Daniel and Manton follow up briefly on Manton’s backup strategy, and catch up with Daniel's progress with MarsEdit. They talk about the merits of using cryptopgraphic signing for software licenses, and balance the risks and rewards of combatting piracy. Daniel talks about the recurring lure of taking a salaried job, and how the privileges of staying indie continue to win out. Finally, they look forward to next week's iPhone event and the expected hardware announcements from Apple.