So, I recorded a great episode with a friend in November. When I got home, though, I realized I had lost all of the audio. Things got busy through the holidays and I haven’t had a chance to record a new episode.

However, I do have an episode to share with you that I recorded in March 2017 with my friend and pastor, Ben Robinson. We recorded this as a test podcast recording while we watched the opening day of March Madness in his basement. The conversation turned out pretty well, so I decided to share it with you.

Ben grew up on college campuses in Indiana and Spokane, WA. He spent some interesting adult years in Cairo, Egypt, which included the revolution in 2011. He and his wife Emily have lived in Tacoma since Ben was appointed pastor at our church, Urban Grace, in 2013.