Jamie and Chloe tackle Kenosha, Twitter, and the political realm's manufacturing of narrative for the sake of ideology.

Episode 3: Both Sides

<p>Join Chloé Valdary (NYT, Theory of Enchantment) and Jamie Kilstein (The Joe Rogan Experience, Conan) as they explore, well, just about everything. From hip hop and comedy&nbsp;to spirituality and politics, <em>So much Things to say</em> aims to help you figure out this f*cked up crazy world and discover the redemption in it -- and in yourself.</p>

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Join Chloé Valdary (NYT, Theory of Enchantment) and Jamie Kilstein (The Joe Rogan Experience, Conan) as they explore, well, just about everything. From hip hop and comedy to spirituality and politics, So much Things to say aims to help you figure out this f*cked up crazy world and discover the redemption in it -- and in yourself.

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Episode 3: Both Sides

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