In this episode, we take a hard look at the backlash against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion—and what it reveals about the state of justice in America today. I break down my own research into the consequences of President Trump’s opposition to DEI, from corporate rollbacks to political scapegoating, and how this rhetoric undermines real lives and progress.

Then, I’m joined by Dr. Ernest McGowen, Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Richmond. We talk about the power and limits of student activism, the role of protest in shaping democracy, and how movements like Black Lives Matter have influenced campuses and communities. Dr. McGowen brings his deep expertise in political behavior and race to this conversation—and trust me, you’ll want to hear what he has to say.

Whether you’re a student, an advocate, or just trying to make sense of the headlines, this episode is for you.