In this conversation, Josh Warhurst and Jesse Cafarelli explore the evolving role of full stack engineers within the context of DevOps. They discuss the importance of cross-functional skills, the challenges of being a full stack engineer, and the real-world implications of these roles in software development. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding organizational health, metrics, and best practices in DevOps, as well as strategies for overcoming blockers in development processes. Through personal anecdotes and industry examples, they highlight the journey to becoming a full stack engineer and the value of embracing a DevOps mindset.