Dave Gibbons is the Founding Pastor and Chief Visionary of New Song Church in Santa Ana, CA. He has written multiple books including "The Monkey and the Fish", "Xealots", and "Small Cloud Rising". Dave shares about how a trip to Thailand changed the trajectory of his ministry at what had been recognized as one of the fastest and most innovative churches in America. Dave helps us think through how we navigate this present moment as well as how we be leaders who are always on the edge of dreaming about the future