Bruce Waltuck, MA, Complexity, Chaos, and Creativity, and host Prucia Buscell have a conversation that builds on the piece written by Bruce as part of the Catalyzing Stories Project, Buck The System: Sense-making and Acting Into Complexity at the United States Department of Labor. Bruce Waltuck shares his story of acting to create change without the awareness of the optimal patterns and methods for acting into complexity, and the consequences that followed.