In this November 2015 conversation with Ken Vandermark, Joe McPhee discusses his experiences with John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, and Don Cherry, finding Clifford Thornton’s trombone in a used music store, and the connections between poetry and music. This episode is sponsored by Astral Spirits Records (astralspirits.bandcamp.com): “The New Wave of Heavy Free Jazz since September 2014.”