CEO Rory Sullivan and MD Nicky Amos join host Elliot Frankal for an end-of-year podcast asking whether the ESG and sustainability community should be optimistic or pessimistic for 2025. As well as reflecting on 2024, the team look ahead at the big issues for the responsible investment and sustainability community in 2025 including the implications of a Trump White House, the rise of AI, and what are the best lyrics from Killers songs.