Dr. Katherine S. Conway-Turner, President of SUNY Buffalo State and a member of the Middles States Commission on Higher Education (MSCHE) Executive Committee, sits in the interview chair for this edition of the MSCHE Pillars of Change podcast. Dr. Conway-Turner, who was interviewed in the inaugural podcast, speaks with  Pat McGuire, president of Trinity Washington University. Their conversation about diversity, equity, and inclusion issues in higher education takes on more relevance coming the day after former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty of killing George Floyd.