While a Cook County judge is expected to declare a Chicago pension reform law unconstitutional, teachers across the state are finding loopholes in their own pension system. City Journal Senior Editor Steve Malanga

Steve Malanga and Chicago Tribune education reporter Diane Rado tell both stories. Illinois News Network reporter Mark Fitton breaks down John Cullerton’s press conference, and Michael C. Carnuccio, president of the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs, joins to respond to Cullerton’s dig at his state.

Hosts: Dan & John

Guests: Steve Malanga, Diane Rado, Mark Fitton, Michael Carnuccio